Suzie: Welcome to sharing my truth with Mel and Suzie, the uncensored version where we bear it all.

Mel: We do 1234.

Suzie: And hello, everyone, and welcome back to sharing my truth pod. I just blew Mel's eardrum with that one. I hope I didn't do anything to yours. And here's a sweet little friendly reminder to follow this pod on wherever you're listening to it. Subscribe, like, leave us a nice little review if you would, if we could. And we love you up for it. You can follow us on all of our socials at sharingmyrchuthpod and you can go to our sharingmytruth.com, where you can also leave us a voicemail, send us some snail mail, email and get in touch with us, share truths with us. Hey, babes. How are ya?

Mel: Hi, darling. I'm fabulous as always.

Suzie: Fabulous. You look so tanned. I'm a little tanned at the end of the summer.

Mel: Little top ups here and there.

Suzie: It was actually one of the first days of fall recently.

Mel: Yes, it probably was.

Suzie: Isn't that disgusting?

Mel: I'd actually like the fall in Canada. It's very nice.

Suzie: Is it because the leaves are turning?

Mel: No, I don't give a **** about the leaves.

Suzie: She doesn't give a **** about the leaves.

Mel: No, I just, it's just a really nice temperature.

Suzie: Yeah, I love that.

Mel: Yeah. It's not too hot, it's not too cold.

Suzie: Not schwitzing. You're kind of enjoying yourself.

Mel: You can still walk around, still on the patio.

Suzie: But, you know, more fun kind of cidery spritzes.

Mel: Oh, I don't like cider.

Suzie: Okay, well, she doesn't like anything canadian then. Is that the truth? Huh? You take her leaves and then you leave us.

Mel: Cider's from England. Don't take that over.

Suzie: I'm doing it. It's because the apples.

Mel: Yeah, we've got a lot of apples. Anyway, what we talk.

Suzie: Okay, today we are talking about Mel. It's your favorite topic.

Mel: It's cheating again, because everyone asks me about it all the time.

Suzie: Cheating, cheating, cheating, cheating. Cheaters, cheaters, cheaters. Pumpkin eaters.

Mel: Okay, if you say so. If you say so. So it is. Would you expose a cheater? No. No. I guess it depends on the circumstance.

Suzie: It does. Like, in what sense are we saying this? So, like, you're a friend. Here is the only situation, I think, that I would literally expose an absolute horrible person who is cheating. And if it were to be, like, my best friend, she was engaged to be married to him. Not married yet, but engaged to be married. To him, and he's doing all this stuff behind her back, as in sleeping with prostitutes, dangerous stuff, you know what I mean? And I, for whatever reason, knew about it or saw it with my own eyes, had some real proof. And it wasn't just like, out to ruin their lives kind of thing. That's really the only time that I would, you know, tell my friend, being like, hey, I have proof that this is happening, and I don't think you should marry this person. But also, at the end of the day, I can't make her decisions for her.

Mel: No, 100%. I think you have to be very careful. And I think the only circumstance I would do it or have done it is if it was a very close friend. Whereas if it was a situation where somebody I kind of knew or that I could tell, but I don't really know them well enough, which I can think of a circumstance where I didn't see this person, but I. My husband saw the husband out in the day, like, he was at a business lunch and he was in a restaurant. He saw him with a woman, they were very close, and he was touching her knee. And it definitely wasn't his wife.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: And I know the wife, but I don't. I'm not really friendly. I just sort of know her through children, kind of, you know, connection that, you know, mums can have. Like, your kids know each other, whatever, and I don't know her.

Suzie: So. Did you say something?

Mel: No.

Suzie: Have you ever said something?

Mel: No.

Suzie: You haven't?

Mel: No.

Suzie: Is there a time that you would.

Mel: No. Cause it's not my place. Wow. She's not my friend.

Suzie: But if she was your friend, let's say it was the situation I just said.

Mel: Yeah, if she was my close friend and she was married, yeah, I'd say something. Right. I mean, I'd be very careful.

Suzie: See, here's the thing about.

Mel: I'm not the kind of person who just steamrolls into situations.

Suzie: No.

Mel: Because I also understand there are massive consequences for what I'm going to say, and you're getting involved, and I think about it very hard. But if she was my very close friend, I can think of some of my friends who are very close, who, FYI, their partners aren't cheating, is. If it was one of them, I'd sort of have to say something.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: I mean, what am I going to do every time I see them? You know, I mean, I. I think there are certain things you can. You can keep from friends. Like maybe if their partner said something you don't like or there's a situation or whatever, you can, you know, unless it's necessary, you can. You can keep those things from people to stop it creating, making this huge situation. But cheating's kind of a big thing.

Suzie: Yeah, but, okay, so for somebody, you know, for, like, you know, I don't know if I would say I would tell someone unless they were unhappy in their marriage and I was helping them get out of it, and I'd be like, I know something to help you get out of this, but I don't know if I would say something if there was, like, a literal, you know, court law abiding bond that these two have with each other. I don't know if I would say something. I would say that they could get out easily. Not easily, but, like, in the way of, like, okay, you're not married. You don't have to do this. You don't have to be here anymore. Like, there's no kids involved kind of thing. Like, it's, like, it's a very, very delicate situation.

Mel: It's very delicate. I think for the most part, people steamroll in. They get involved. They shouldn't get involved. Obviously, if you know somebody's married and you see them out with somebody else and they're sort of canoodling, then obviously they shouldn't be doing that. But still, the consequence of you saying something is massive and you're gonna have to bear that burden.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: Because that comment could, in fact, end that marriage.

Suzie: Yeah. I mean, it's very hard because I've known people who have cheated. I have hooked up with married guys, and it happens more often than we'd like to admit.

Mel: Of course. All the time. All the time.

Suzie: And, I mean, coming from experience with hooking up with married guys, these married guys are not that careful. Right.

Mel: Yeah. I've always find that so interesting.

Suzie: It is so interesting how not careful that they are.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: And they don't really know me. I could. I'm not. I could be a crazy person and blackmail the **** out, of course, but you could be anybody ever.

Mel: But you could know their wife. How would they know? I mean, you just don't know. You just don't know. And I just. It's odd. It's odd. And especially, I think, in the day and age we're in, where you can take pictures, you can take video, you can, like, everyone's secretly, you know, taping conversations and all sorts of ****, and they're just not being very careful. Yeah, but that's because they're not thinking with the head brain and the head. Are they? And that's the main problem.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And I, look, you also don't know, for the most part, for most marriages, unless you have very close friendship with somebody and, you know, the kind of ins and outs and rules of their relationship, you don't know if they've got an open marriage.

Suzie: Yeah, that's true.

Mel: Mean, you just don't know that. Or whether the, whether your friend's doing it too. I mean, you just don't know. So I do think you have to be. I think it's kind of a case by case thing. It kind of depends. Kind of also depends whether you dislike the husband or wife. Intensity.

Suzie: Okay. Right.

Mel: Like, your personal feelings about. I mean, obviously that, then I, you know, I caveat by saying you can't let your feelings sort of encroach on that. I just think that if you saw something out and about, you are out somewhere and they didn't know that you'd seen it. I'll give you an example, actually, in my own life, my dad left my current stepmother. He left my mother for this woman, obviously, after a trail of many other women. But this is the next woman he married after my mother. And he met her at a party. Like a house party, like two doors up from where I lived. Like a neighbor was having a house party. My mom's not a very sociable person, so she doesn't, like, go out and drink and party and stuff like that. My dad's, like me, very sociable. And he met my stepmother, and he's dancing with her. Very close and kind of not quite snogging or anything, but very close. And all the ******* neighbors saw it.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And they all decided to tell my mom after she threw out. They threw me out.

Suzie: They did tell her. Yeah, but after that, she threw him out already where he already left her.

Mel: Well, my mom sort of threw him up out because she found refrigeration, the receipt for the fridge in his car. And she's like, I don't have that fridge. Which is very romantic and super sexy. And, yeah, she sort of told him to leave after they had a massive, massive, massive argument. But, yeah, people told her afterwards. But I mean, what are they gonna say? Oh, yeah, your husband's a ******* creep and he's slow dancing with this woman. No love lost between me and my stepmother. Yeah, it's a dumb baby, darling. And so I don't know. And I do understand, like, what are you supposed to do? I mean, he's a grown ***, Mandeh. She's a grown *** woman. If they are behaving, they've had obviously, too much to drink and they're behaving inappropriately. It's not really for everyone else. They weren't getting in a car or anything. It's not, you know, in terms of, like, drink driving or worrying about that. It's really not for everyone else to tell them what to do. And so I do understand, like, what are they supposed to do?

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: I think, obviously, they all gathered that it wasn't the first time my dad had done this, but I. It is very difficult. Yeah. Do you expose a cheater? I think you have to be very careful. Very. You have to kind of put your sanctimonious hat away and think about, well, who is this person, relation to me? What's that? You know? And also really think about how. How you tell them.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: You don't just go, right, well, let's go for lunch and. Or dinner or something and go. Something I have to tell you. And, you know, you got to remember, this can destroy people's lives. Well, yeah.

Suzie: And especially, like, if, if they have, like, children together.

Mel: Hundred percent. I mean, it destroys lives. Yeah.

Suzie: Like, you're. You don't want to talk to this person anymore if they're, if they've hurt you this much. And also, it might come back onto you, as the friend said. Right. Like, oh, like, maybe you're ******* lying to me and you're trying to get him. Like, there's so much that they can.

Mel: Say, or, I don't believe you always hated him. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah, I. That can definitely happen.

Suzie: And then you just lost your best.

Mel: Friend or 100%, and you gotta be careful. And I think also, let's face it, I think most people, if you have girlfriends or even men with their male friends, it's not very often that you get on. Everyone gets on with everyone.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: Like, just because you have a girlfriend and she gets married or has a husband or a partner or whatever, that you're automatically gonna get on with that person, I think we assume in our head, because that person's our friend, of course we're gonna, like their partner, get along with them. That's not necessarily always the case, is it?

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And sometimes people, it's like, the oddest, like, huh, I don't get it. How are you, like, matching up and.

Suzie: Then, like, trying to, like.

Mel: So you gotta not let your feelings get in the way, is what I'm saying.

Suzie: Yeah. Like, you can't. It's just so hard. You don't want to. Cause you want to respect their choices. Yeah, but I like, personally, and some might. Some will find this a good thing. Some people find this a bad quality. But, like, sometimes I'm too honest with my friends in some ways. And, like, you know, that's how you are with kind of family. You're a little too honest. You come up front with them. That's how I've always been. And that's very, that can be very difficult because people don't want to hear truth or what I think it is the truth, which might not be right. Like, I've just opinions of, like, oh, I don't like your boyfriend. Or like, oh, he's a piece of ****. Oh, I saw him flirting or I mean, whatever, with another woman. Like, there's things that people are just like, well, you know, again, I don't believe you, or I don't want to hear that. Or maybe you just hate him or maybe you want to **** him. Like, there's just too many potential excuses about 100%.

Mel: And I do think there are. There are levels. So, I mean, I think I'm talking more about if I saw my friends, good friends, husband full on snogging, you know, full on into it with somebody. I'm not talking about flirting or, you know, whatever. I think that's quite different. Or, you know, you're. You. Let's say you. I don't know, you go and stay in a foreign city. I'm just thinking this because I've just been in a prostitute, and you go to a hotel and somebody walks out, and that's your friend's, you know, husband, wife, whatever, with the person who definitely isn't your friend.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: And you're like, you know, they're snogging or they're whatever. Or they just come out of a room or whatever. I mean, that's kind of a difficult thing to unsee. That's one thing, you know, flirting, I think, is another thing. And let's fade. A lot of people flirt. I think that's ridiculous. I mean, you know, you got to really, you know, that's very high school.

Suzie: To even think that that's anything.

Mel: Come on, you're. Especially if you go out and have drinks and stuff like that. And I think particularly men do this. Well, women do it, too, but, I mean, they can get very flirty. I don't know.

Suzie: Yeah, definitely.

Mel: And you're just like, what? Yeah, it's just odd, you know, but in the circumstances, people just like, what are you doing? But. But that's something different. I just think that I would just totally.

Suzie: Well, it's also, like, with, like, other cheaters and stuff like that. Like, if they're doing it in a public place, kind of asking for 100%, not asking for it, but there's like, this, like, okay, you know, the potential consequences of this. Anyways, you're trying to keep it secret, I would assume, and you're doing it in a public place. Like, someone's bound to see you if you're in a neighborhood where possibly you know someone. Um, but, yeah, and also, I. There's also the possibility that you don't know the other person who they're. That. So, like, let's say your friend's boyfriend is cheating on someone, like, you know, with. Without your friend. And then this woman might not know that that man has another girlfriend.

Mel: There are any number of possibilities. Or, you know, so would you ever.

Suzie: Confront the woman that he's with?

Mel: I think you're gonna gotta be really careful.

Suzie: That would be so ******* crazy.

Mel: Cause you gotta be really careful. And there also are circumstances where people can misread things. Like, maybe that's a very old friend and maybe they hug and you're just like that. And, you know, you can misread. But I do think, like, chemistry, you can't misread that. And, you know, it's sort of like you can tell if people are standing close together or often, to me, you can always tell, particularly a man, the way a man looks at a woman. You can just tell. You can just tell there's something going on. You can tell that man has got a thing for her.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: And that's. I guess that's. I mean, that's not technological, but you're in danger, danger area.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: But I do think it is very difficult. But I think the thing that's really weird is in a day and age, wherever, like I said, there are phones, or people have, like, you know, find your phone. Like, our family, we know everyone, where everyone is. It's not like you can say, oh, I'm here, and then they're like, no, you're not. Well, right. You know, you can't say, oh, I've just gone to the shop. Why are you at the blah blah blah hotel in blah blah blah? They had really nice cabbages in here. I went to buy some milk. Oh, so that's interesting. But I actually think that people forget all this stuff.

Suzie: Well, do you think you only can really see where the other person is if you allow them?

Mel: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I guess. And I have that with my kids and my husband. Yeah, but we got nothing to hide. My kids, obviously. Cause I, you know, make sure they're okay.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: It's not really a question of me being obsessed with what they're doing. I just. It's just safety and.

Suzie: Do you think it'd be different if they were boys?

Mel: No.

Suzie: You'd wanna know where they were, do you think.

Mel: It's not really that. I. I mean, obviously I want to know where they are, but it's really for safety. If something happens, I want to know.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And I always say to them, it's not really you I don't trust. It's everyone else. I suppose that. That. That is because they're girls, but. Yeah, for boys, too. I mean, you know, still, it's. It's not a very safe world, but I don't intrude on them anyway, so it's not like, you know, I think I'm very liberal, open minded, should I put it that way?

Suzie: Yeah, that's lovely.

Mel: But, I mean, I have, you know, Max and I both have the thing on, you know, like an error things.

Suzie: Yeah, well, I mean, you guys are cheating on each other.

Mel: No. And on all our phones, too, because we've got.

Suzie: Oh, yeah.

Mel: Phones. So I know where all the phones are.

Suzie: That is so funny.

Mel: Yeah. So it's not like he could cheat if he wanted to, and neither could I. Because you'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm in loblol.

Suzie: Gonna take a new phone. Leave this one here.

Mel: Exactly. Oh, God, no. But I can see them.

Suzie: Well, this is the thing. Like, you figure it out. You figure it away if you're gonna do it.

Mel: Oh, 100%. But I do. I think, of course, you figure out a way, but I think people forget stuff and they forget that. Oh, yeah, somebody can take a picture of me. Like, they forget this stuff and they forget that. You know? I mean, haven't you done that where you've traveled to, like, the most random city and you bump into somebody, you know, from, like, what the ****? Like, huh? You know what I mean? You're like. I remember once being years and years ago, I was at Niagara Falls, and I bumped into this person I knew from this little town in England.

Suzie: It's so funny.

Mel: What the ****? And it. You know, like. And that's like. But you. That happens, doesn't it? Because the world. People travel, people go to all sorts of places. You don't. You don't know. So you could go away for this saucy weekend, and you'll ****** bump into your mother in law or something? No, it's bump into your mother in law doing it, right? No, but anyway, no, just to caveat. My mother in law isn't doing it. I think she's very happy. Married 57 years.

Suzie: Good job, baby.

Mel: 58 years.

Suzie: Wow. She feels crazy.

Mel: Undug myself from that. But, yeah, I would say you do. Be really careful. Cause I think a lot of people, particularly women, men, are really good at turning a blind eye of what's going.

Suzie: On with a woman.

Mel: Just other people's relationships. They just don't get involved.

Suzie: They don't want to get involved.

Mel: Don't want to get involved. I think if they have a really good friend and they're in love with a woman and they know that woman is cheating, particularly with, like, another friend, I think that's a. A different circumstance.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: But I think men are much better at just, like, don't get involved. Just don't get involved. Yeah.

Suzie: Cause they don't want the drama.

Mel: They don't want the drama. Whereas women want the drama.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And so we get involved, you know, put. Want to save the day, jump into the whole thing.

Suzie: **** that guy.

Mel: Exactly. **** that guy. And then your friend says, well, no, I love him. I'm gonna forgive him. And you're like, huh? You know, and all that sort of stuff, and then that's it. You've lost your friendship, and you've got to be very, very careful. And I think it really does depend on the circumstance, but I think. I think as a general rule, if it was a very good friend of mine and I saw or knew he wasn't where he was meant to be, and I generally know kind of the relationships my friends have, I'd probably have to say something in a very. But I'd have to think about it.

Suzie: Yeah. Like, there's also that way of, if you see with your own eyes and, like, let's say, like you're at a party, like, maybe, you know, the party your father was at and someone was friends with your mother at the time or something, real friends, and they saw that sometimes, you know, you could go to the guy, to the man or whoever's cheating and just being like, you know what? I saw this. I'm gonna tell her. Or you can tell her first.

Mel: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I. I think if there is a circumstance where, you know, it's a friend and, you know, the husband. Well.

Suzie: Yeah, exactly.

Mel: Or possibly. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, if you know both of them well, and possibly that is a situation, an idea, and I would generally say, I just really hope you don't see ****, because it's just so difficult. It's so difficult getting involved in other people's lives, and particularly this, because I think women generally expect that if you tell another woman that her husband or boyfriend or whomever is cheating, you have to leave them. And they don't accept an answer to say, well, okay, I'm gonna talk to him and we're gonna move on, and we're gonna find a way of getting around it. And most women don't want. They're like, no, you gotta dump him and go and blah, blah, blah. And maybe that friend of yours doesn't want to do that. Maybe she can move on. Just because I can't move on doesn't mean you can't move on.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And it's your life. It's not my life. It's not for me to make that decision. And particularly if there are children and houses and finances and all sorts of things involved, it's not. And families and, you know, it's not a small thing. But I do think. We think that as women. Oh, you know, he's an *******. He's a *******. A horror, you know? But, I mean, then there are situations where I knew this woman I knew years ago, and her, her mother. Sorry. Her mother's sister cheated with her dad. Does that make sense?

Suzie: What the ****?

Mel: Yeah. So my friends. My friend, her mom, her sister, her aunt. Sorry. Okay. Cheated with her dad.

Suzie: Are they related? No, that would have been her brother in law.

Mel: No, no, no. Hang on.

Suzie: Okay.

Mel: My. My friend had a mother. Your friend had a mother and an aunt.

Suzie: And an aunt.

Mel: And the aunt slept with her dad and then real dad. Yeah. So my friend's mom had two children with her biological father and was married to him, while her mother was married to her father. Her mother's sister had a secret affair with her father that her sister was married to.

Suzie: Yes. And then her two children. The aunt's brother in law.

Mel: Yeah, exactly.

Suzie: Okay.

Mel: I was like, very good.

Suzie: Wait a second.

Mel: Very good. Yeah. So then my, my friend had. She was her chair. Her mom had two children. She had a brother.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: Then her aunt, she had two more. No brothers and sister. But her aunt was also her stepmother. Does that make sense? Ew. And then he went on and he had, like, five wives or something. It was kind of wild, but that is. And quite understandably, the mother and the sister did not speak for years and years and years. And then eventually, I think they did patch it up. But, I mean, I'm not sure how you forgive that. For crying out loud.

Suzie: People can get through ******* anything.

Mel: I guess they can. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean that. Wow. Wow.

Suzie: No, that's insane.

Mel: A sibling like you. ******* *******. It's a bit like a best friend. That's what Max always said to me. Like, if you have a best guy's code, of course, which I know nothing about, is that if you have a best friend and he, like, cheats with your partner.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: That's like you've crossed the a mega line.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: Or if you find out, then I don't think it's ever happened to him. Don't think. Or anybody who knows. See what I mean? Maybe. But that's like a. I mean, that is a big line, isn't it? And then what happens? And I can't think that's ever happened to me. Where friends cheated with, you know, it's all, like, really complicated. And I'm sure, of course it has, because that's what happens. And let's face it, lots of people cheat because we're human beings. And that you're going to generally cheat with the person nearest to you.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: Aren't you? Because you. Whoever you meet in your circle or whatever.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: I mean, that's the norm.

Suzie: That is the norm. I feel like it's more rare to just **** a hooker.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: You know what I mean? Like, that has, like, intent into it. And I think that would hurt me more.

Mel: Really?

Suzie: Do you know what I mean? Cause then there's like, I went to a hooker. I had to **** like a professional to do this instead of just like, this kind of drunk night, you *******.

Mel: You know.

Suzie: I don't know.

Mel: It's a very north american attitude. Cause like, in, like, as you know, I lived in lots of european cities and, like. And it's in european countries and, like, it's legal.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: Like in Switzerland, it's legal. And I remember, and I think I've told this story before, somebody I knew. And she wasn't a close friend, but she. She saw. And the credit card bill, husband travel a lot. Like, what is this thing? Centre de bien. And she didn't speak very good French. So she asked me, do I tell her? Do I not tell her? That's like. That's the brothel.

Suzie: The ***** house.

Mel: The ***** house, exactly. And they just put it there so that other wives. And then the funny thing was, when my kids were little, one of the nannies I was working, I worked through. You know, I've always worked. So I had. When the kids, my kids were very young. I had a nanny, and she told me the story of this other nanny who was always, when the mum would go away, the wife would go away, she'd always find these sort of knickers in the house. Pants. What do you call them?

Suzie: Panties.

Mel: Panties, yeah.

Suzie: Thongs.

Mel: Thongs, exactly. That she knew were not. Cause she was like a nanny. Like a hat. She did whatever. Cleaning, whatever. And so she's like, those are definitely not the boss ladies knickers, panties. And she's like, what do I do? And she just, she didn't like her boss very much anyway. She just put the bang on the drawer.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: How many, but like, a lot.

Suzie: Like, how many women are losing their panties in this house?

Mel: I don't know. But she.

Suzie: Why are you putting them back on when you're leaving?

Mel: I don't, I don't, I don't know. Because it's not something I do on a regular basis. So I'm not sure what I would do. But people lose jewelry and **** like that, don't they?

Suzie: Yeah. I mean, like, I've definitely left panties at people's houses.

Mel: Put your panties back on to leave.

Suzie: Not that often. I feel like this. If this often thing. Maybe he had a little fetish or something about it.

Mel: Maybe like, maybe.

Suzie: Oh, my God.

Mel: But he was a bit of an *******.

Suzie: Yeah, there you go.

Mel: But anyway, can't say I liked his wife very much. It's a different story. But I. I don't know. I mean, like I said, even that, I felt like, oh, my God, I've got to tell this woman. Your husband's going to the ***** house. And I did have to. Well, I had to say something. I couldn't, like, go, oh, no. Yeah, he's going to have his nails done. He's definitely not going to have his nails done. I know. Because, like, in Switzerland, you knew, like, what, the brothel where they were, and they honestly looked like a totally normal front to it. And it's all legal. Pay taxes if you're a hooker. And, and a lot of women, I think, in a european sense, definitely not in. It's not a british cultural thing, but, you know, like, okay, he goes and does that and I'll go off and do that. What? And they're all tested. It's all very clean.

Suzie: Oh, they're all tested. Oh, that makes me feel better, to be honest.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: I don't think it's the same here.

Mel: No. Well, I don't know anything about prostitutes here. Yeah, I don't think it's the same sex workers.

Suzie: I don't think it's the same.

Mel: I don't know. I mean, look, I. I wouldn't be.

Suzie: Best pleased also, like, you know, throw an extra, like, couple hundred and you can do without a condom. I'm sure.

Mel: I guess. I don't know. I didn't. I mean, I guess it's the rules, right?

Suzie: There's no rules here. Yeah, there's no rules here.

Mel: Actually, funny you should say this. I was, like, scrolling through TikTok.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And all of a sudden this girl appears. It's so bizarre, the things that come on the for you page. And I'm sort of listening to her and she's talking about couples she's meeting. I'm like, ****. She's a sex worker. Like, she. And she doesn't say. She sort of says all these words, but she's like, oh, they're taking me out. And he. Something about him on her face, like, but the way she uses the words. And obviously you're like, oh, okay. But when you're sort of. She's just doing her makeup and stuff and you're like, this is so interesting. She is blatantly, in a slightly veiled way, talking about her clients. She's this girl in Australia, and because I've seen her videos now, this will make you laugh. There's a male escort called something like he's big girth or something. The speedos is really hard.

Suzie: Good for him.

Mel: So he has this video and he's got this woman holding a wine bottle. And I'm like, why is she. Oh, that's why she's holding a wine bottle, but blatantly advertising it.

Suzie: Good for them.

Mel: Well, yeah, I mean, you do, you, whatever, but I just thought that was funny. But. And this one woman. Sorry, you're gonna think this is very interesting that I watch.

Suzie: Mel loves this.

Mel: Yeah. One what? There's one woman in Australia, she's couples. So couples come to see her.

Suzie: Good for her.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: And I'd like that.

Mel: Would you?

Suzie: I could be a sex worker for couples. Kind of like sex therapy.

Mel: Well, it made me think of a time, like years ago when Max was working in this company and it became known that one of his bosses was a little bit. And I don't, I just don't know how the person knew this was a little bit older than him. But her and her husband would hire, we'll use the word sex worker, female sex worker, because they liked threesomes and they lived in this very proper, you know, very posh part of England. Big house and just couldn't picture it. Right. So this sex worker just rocks up to this, you know, like, how do you explain this to all the twitching curtains and the neighbors? Oh, yeah, that's just our friend, you know. Yeah. Okay. And there's a different one that's so funny and it was so weird. And this colleague knew. I can't remember why the colleague knew and then told Max. I was just like, wow. And then that made me think of the girl on TikTok. But anyway, it's obviously a thing. But on the other hand, I mean, it depends. There are lots of men and lots of women who go to sex workers, of course, and obviously, but their partners know and that they feel better because, you know, generally, if you're going to, you know, high class people, you know, like when you're paying lots of money, they have been tested and they have parameters and boundaries and, you know, they're not just, you know, whatever. And so people feel better because then there won't be a connection.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: It's just sex. It's like, I'm going for a massage. I just happen to be popping my ***** in there.

Suzie: Just pop it in there, dear. Just snip it in.

Mel: Yikes.

Suzie: Yeah, no, I don't know. I think that might. I'm telling you, I think that might bother me more because I think I am really good at sex. So if someone. If my guy were to be like, sorry, I had to **** a stripper or a hooker, and I'd be like, why?

Mel: What about me? Hello?

Suzie: What about, I'm like, you could have just asked for whatever they were giving. I understand that guys, or anyone, like, diversification, or whatever you wanna call it.

Mel: What did you say?

Suzie: Diversification. Like, you wanna diversify your portfolio. That's hilarious. But I'm just like, I don't know. I wouldn't want him sneaking around with a friend, but I don't think I'd want him ******* prostitute.

Mel: Well, I'm not keen on any of the options, Suzie, to be frank. I'm just telling you that it happens. I wouldn't.

Suzie: I could rather him just tell me and being like, hey, I gotta go **** someone else. I'm sorry. And I'd be like, here's my best friend. She's a great ****.

Mel: Wow, that's nice of you to offer her up. I fear that we've strayed very much from the point.

Suzie: I don't know, I think it's still pretty on point. But I would love to know if any of our audience members has had a situation like this where they may have had to tell a friend or if they confronted a boyfriend of a friend or anything like that. If there is any stories that you guys have, make sure to go to sharemytruth.com. you guys can leave us a voicemail or send us an email there, or you guys can send us a team at sharemytruthpod, because we'd love to hear from you. For that, we're gonna move on to something a little bit more serious and ridiculous and disturbing. So here's your first little trigger warning for that one. Okay? Yeah, exactly. We're gonna be talking about no other than Mister P. Diddy. So if you guys can't listen to this, don't want to listen to this, just stop, go to the next pod. But we're going to start talking about this because it's everywhere. And obviously, we're not investigative journalists. We are just going to. Or anything. Yeah, let's just caveat that. But we do want to talk about this because it's very serious and it's affected so many people that we've looked up to or I've looked up to for, like, you know, my childhood. Yeah. And it's just crazy what's going on. And if you guys don't know already what's happening, I suggest you look it up because it's crazy. But, you know, Diddy, Sean Combs has gotten to a lot of legal trouble because he's being accused of sexual assault, very serious sexual assault. He's put on these things called freak freakouts. What are they called? Freak offs.

Mel: Yeah, freak offs.

Suzie: These freak off parties where they're like, he hired a bunch of prostitutes, women and men, and they would all ****. They were like. And he planned the whole thing. He would plan his orgies out, give everyone drugs, like GHB, which is like, knocks you out. Ketamine, ecstasy, all of these things, was supplying these people with it. People didn't know that they were being filmed. He filmed the whole thing or multiple, multiple times of ithood in hotel rooms, anywhere you can imagine. And I think for me, one of the most disturbing parts is that he was doing this to a lot of young boys, too, like, in the industry, in the music industry. And so I think that's pretty insane to hear about because you don't think of someone like Diddy, who you kind of grew up, like, I grew up with, who's like this literal king of, like, pop music and r and b is just comes out with this, like, crazy. Like, how could this happen. How could we let this happen? This is like. Cause so many people knew about it.

Mel: Yeah. And this has sort of been going on for years that it obviously hasn't necessarily been in the mainstream, but. And I don't know if it was a little bit like R. Kelly. Like, it's sort of new and it just sort of. Crescendo. Crescendo. But the interesting thing I find, and I was mentioning to you is I was just scrolling through TikTok, as you do, and there was this TikTok of this woman in a car, and she's driving along and she's listening to this Justin Bieber song and she's a great song. And then all of a sudden it comes up that whatever the lyrics are, I was at P. Diddy's party, and then she's like, oh, my.

Suzie: Yeah, I lost myself at P. Diddy's party or something.

Mel: Is that what that meant? And so often we do. We listen to songs and we just. And you really don't listen to the. Well, I don't. I don't listen to the lyrics. And all of a sudden you're like, holy ****, that's what that meant. And Justin Bieber, obviously, who is famously, was a very, very, very young boy when he started and very innocent looking and how disturbing. How deeply disturbing it is. And again, you know, you have to caveat that, you know, he hasn't been convicted or whatever words are, but I don't know, it seems like there's a lot of whatever. A lot of. I mean, does somebody want to take him down? I mean, I don't know. It's just very disturbing that somebody with so much power, and yet again, it just proves the thing that if you have tons of money, tons and tons.

Suzie: And literally a billionaire, yeah.

Mel: You can literally buy your way out of everything. And you think in the United States, you know, whatever. And I'm very pro the US and I. And. But I think, you know, this is, whatever we say is like the freest country on earth. It's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, how the **** has that happened there? And again, it doesn't seem to make any difference. It's just that it's power. And then these men, like, like, they can have anything. They can have. It's like sort of the R. Kelly story. He could be with any woman, but he has to choose this super twisted thing. And you're just. And then because he has so much money, and I'm talking about P. Diddy, obviously, RK was the same case. And again, don't anybody come for me. I know they're not connected and blah, blah, is that they have so much money, they can just cover everything up.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And, you know, but what I thought.

Suzie: Was amazing is when he did, they tried to bail him out. His lawyers did. And apparently they made a very good case about it, too. He has the best lawyers, obviously, in the biz, that money came by, and the lawyer, she said along the lines of, a lot of this happened behind closed doors. No, I'm not letting you out because we don't know what you're gonna do behind these closed doors again, even if you won't leave the country. So it's like, obviously have some really, really bad **** about him that they already know and they already have.

Mel: I mean, you would assume that's it, because under normal circumstances, he doesn't have a criminal record. He hasn't been charged with anything before he would get bail. And that he has. And, yeah, it would be a huge one, but he has so much money. And the other thing is that he came voluntary to the state of New York. He knew it was going to happen. I believe that's correct. He's been cooperating the whole thing. So it's extremely unusual that they wouldn't give him. Let him go. I believe the term is on bail.

Suzie: It's really crazy. I've already listened to this stuff. I was with my friend, and she is really into the. This, like, the whole thing about it. Yeah, the story. And she just put this on. We were in a room together, and she just put this, like, audio on. I didn't know what it was. And then it was apparently some rapper with P. Diddy. P. Diddy was like, you know, literally sexually assaulting this guy. And it was the audio of it. So you just. Obviously, you can't make assumptions because you're like, well, it's just audio. I don't know who's who, right? Like, but you put two and two together pretty ******* quick, and you're like, holy ****. What the **** am I listening to? Like, what did I just listen to? And there's so much on tape about this that they have and that you can actually find online already, which is pretty gross.

Mel: How do they think it's been found online? Like, how?

Suzie: I mean, people are leaking it, right? Like, there's. There's security guards who were leaking it who. I watched this video of this one security guard who tried to leak it before. No one would listen to him, and now he's doing it again. So, yeah, people have. Cause there were so many people who helped clean this **** up because there were so many people involved. So people have so much stuff against him.

Mel: Yeah. I mean, it's just so disturbing, all these stories, you know, whether it's Pete Diddy, it's R. Kelly, Jeffrey Epstein, there's obviously been a lot of things, connections made between the sort of likes of Jeffrey Epstein and Peter Dee. And apparently I read somewhere that Peter D's assistant or whatever kind of was a, I don't know if there's any accusations made against her that she was kind of doing what Ghislaine Maxwell was doing. But again, the story, it's just always about power. It's not about anything else. It's not about where you're from or anything like that. It's about if you have too many, much money and you have these huge sexual perversions that people will cover them up and you're just like, yeah. Why? You know, and I understand that, you know, people are getting paid to cover this stuff up and, you know, and then what, what do these, and I say men, because it is, for the most part, it's men. I'm not saying there aren't depraved women out there, but for the most part, it is menta that they are then holding over all these employees and whatever. And, you know, you can criticize, what the hell are they supposed to do? You know, lose their job, lose their livelihood. But what is very interesting to me, and I don't understand, I don't know, and I haven't read as much as, like you say your friend has is why or how, excuse me, people like Justin Bieber, who has been very powerful and very well known for a long time. Like, what the hell happened there that he, I don't know how much talking about it he's done other than what he said recently. I don't know, ****** up, obviously.

Suzie: Like, you just talked about the song. Like he's trying to put it out there, which is crazy. That was a couple of years ago, a few years ago already. And like, so, like, the little backstory about that, like, so Peter d took Usher in when Usher was just starting. So there's a some, obviously there, obviously Usher, when Justin Bieber, Usher discovered Justin Bieber.

Mel: Yeah, I didn't know that.

Suzie: Yeah, so Usher discovered Justin Bieber. He got full custody of Justin Bieber when he was first famous at like 15 or 14 or something like that, like super young. And then he gave, I don't know if it was actual custody, but he pretty much gave over Justin Bieber to P. Diddy for like, 48 hours to, like, hang out, do all the, I don't know. No, obviously don't. People don't know. Right. And there's interviews about this, like, them filming Justin Bieber and Diddy together, like, if they're like, cool around or whatever, and P. Diddy being like, yeah, we're gonna do some stuff. A lot of stuff we can't talk about. Like, oh, my God, this is a child.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: And this is crazy.

Mel: Has like, seven kids or something. He has children. He's a father. God knows what that's doing to them in their heads. But it's, it's, you don't know. And it's, it's also like the, you know, Weinstein and all of that. I mean, just goes on and on and on.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: It's like this abuse of, of power connected to sex, which unfortunately is. But it's one thing if it's, which, you know, obviously Weinstein is a whole different story, but if it's, we've got children involved or people who, I mean, oh, my God. I mean, it's just, it's absolutely gross.

Suzie: It's horrible.

Mel: And the thing, you know, that I was reading the other day was, well, this is recent, isn't it, that they found a thousand bottles of lube in his. Oh, my God.

Suzie: Yeah. Lube, baby oil, whatever it was. Yeah.

Mel: And so, and one of his employees or whatever said, oh, he just likes getting what? Or something like that somewhat the **** some other kind of way.

Suzie: And you're like, what the ****?

Mel: And then, you know, the fact that he filmed so much stuff, kind of a la Jeffrey Epstein. But obviously Jeffrey Epstein was filming people to then kind of blackmail them. I mean, I believe that was the thing. And black. And what's happened with P. Diddy is they've obviously seized the friggin video.

Suzie: Well, because these are also, he got, like, male prostitutes. And like, I think he got female prostitutes too. Like, so he was getting a lot of people who are doing this for a living still drugging them. And these, these freak offs, as he quote, that's what he called them. Like, they would go on for days and he would keep drugging them for them to keep going.

Mel: And obviously drugging them without their knowledge.

Suzie: Without their knowledge, like, putting it in the champagne and like, doing all this.

Mel: Like, what's the date rate show? Yeah, and that was GHB. Yeah, but GHB, I believe, disappears in your system, which is one of the problems.

Suzie: Oh, my God. I didn't know that.

Mel: You should probably look it up. But one of my friends was date rape. Yeah. And the problem is the next morning she woke up somewhere and.

Suzie: Oh, my God.

Mel: Yeah. But she. She was able to piece kind of what happened, but obviously you're not able to prosecute, and it's something to do with. It does also disappear in your body or something, which I should probably not say that and not look it up, but, like, people who are using these kind of drugs, they know what they're doing, you know? Cause, like, the person won't remember, and, you know, there's nothing they can do. I mean, I don't know if you've also heard sort of going off track talking about gross people, but there's a huge court case going on in France at the moment, so it's about the guy.

Suzie: Oh, my God, this is so gross. I read the article about this.

Mel: Yeah. So it's a huge thing going on in France. And this man, this couple, basically from this, you know, very ordinary village in the south of France, nice life, three kids, you know, very well known in the community. He basically gets caught one day, purely like the woman, his wife had been feeling kind of funny, and she has lapsed his memory, and they think she's got dementia or something. And going to the doctor and blah, blah, blah, nothing. They carry on them still married and blah, blah, blah. And one day, the father gets. They get a call from the police, and he's been caught in a supermarket taking photos under women's skirts.

Suzie: Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Mel: The absolute photos. Yeah. And then. And then the police kind of sees his. This is a very short version. Sees his. His phone and his computer, and they find something like 20,000, 30,000, whatever. His images of him arranging rendezvous, getting random men to rape his wife while she's completely passed out. Yeah.

Suzie: No idea.

Mel: And he's given her so many drugs that she can't remember having taken the drugs, remember the act. And we're talking like, I mean, over 50. There's something like 50 men on trial at the moment, but it's more than that. It's so many rapes. It's just disgusting. Physically, you want to throw up. And a man. And he has admitted he's done it. He's admitted in open court last week. Obviously, his children have to live that, she has to live that. But it's still, you know, this isn't PD and this isn't Epstein and this. But this is somebody who had. Who abused his power in the sense that he everyone thought he was a nice guy and that he thought that this woman, his wife, much like, you know, if it does come to pass that B. Diddy is guilty. And again, you know, we. You know, I can't be the jury and executioner of P. Diddy, but if it is true, he's basically just completely. I mean, obviously violated people that he's raped and whatever, but violated every, like, just not given a **** about anybody being a human being.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And it. And it's so peculiar in the case of P. Diddy for somebody who has access to everything and everyone. I mean, you think, like, didn't he date J. Lo one day?

Suzie: Yes.

Mel: I mean, he dated everyone. Like, his. His last wife who died, I believe. And mysterious people are, like, talking about that unbelievably beautiful. And you're, like, the women that he is able to get, you know, as his girlfriends or acquaintances or anything without doing anything. That's why it's so, like, what is this? And how long is this in the psyche of this man? Was he always like this? I mean, you assume that this sort of escalated, and obviously, I believe that in the public kind of narrative, the reason we really sort of started to find out about is because of that footage in the hotel.

Suzie: Cassie?

Mel: Yeah. Is it cat? Is that his latest girlfriend? No. I don't know how long ago that was. And he was literally kickering.

Suzie: It was like, a 2016 or something like that video. Like, it was a long time ago, but then I just resurfaced.

Mel: Right.

Suzie: And then she tried to, like, you know, obviously. Like, she's trying to work for him.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: And then she was getting, like, threatened by his team.

Mel: Right.

Suzie: So she just took the money, obviously, because I would ******* do the same.

Mel: I don't blame her. What's she gonna do? It's like. It's like trying to fight the machine. How's she gonna do that? And if she's doing it on her own? And in most of all these other cases, you know, it's also like, she's like, it.

Suzie: She's, you know, not. Not everyone knows about her. Like they do. Like, she doesn't have as much money.

Mel: Like, yeah. And, you know, it's not for anybody to judge what she needs to do. But, I mean, then I guess it's started to be known, like, oh, my God, what has he been doing?

Suzie: And it's that video. So disturbing. Like, don't go watch it if you don't want to, but it's, you know, if you do want any kind of proof that he's a violent, horrible person.

Mel: It's.

Suzie: It's right there.

Mel: Yeah. I mean, it is terrifying that he's in, I think. I believe it's a hotel.

Suzie: Yeah. Hallway or something, isn't it?

Mel: Yeah. I think he's on a floor of a hotel, and she's trying to get in the elevator or whatever, and he's literally sort of kicking her head in. I can't remember he's beating her or punching her or whatever he's doing, but you're just like. And to me, it's like the arrogance. Like, every major luxury hotel has cameras everywhere, especially in the United States. And somebody. And you can pay off whoever you like, but eventually there's going to be a copy of that, which I assume is what happened. They pay somebody off and eventually, you know, it resurfaces.

Suzie: Yeah. There was other things where, like, he would abuse her in public.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: And, like, literally punch her in public and no one would do anything nice. So, like, there's things that have always been there and most of the people around him, because he is, you know who he is.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie: And, you know, there's always gonna be. Unfortunately, there's always gonna be people like that.

Mel: 100%.

Suzie: You have the money. You have the power.

Mel: Yeah. And you have this disturbing, you know, like, almost fatal cocktail. Somebody who has deep perversions and who has so much money and so much, so many resources and access to people that they can hide it for so very long and that they're. And I think the problem is, it's a bit like, you know, we're talking about the cheater. If you get away with something for so long, you know, whatever it is you're doing, you get lazy, you know, and you think, ah, I've been doing this for the last.

Suzie: Yeah, I'm gonna get away with it.

Mel: 40 years or whatever. And I mean, P. Diddy's a little bit older than me, I think, so. I mean, and he's been in the public eye for, what, since he was in his twenties or forever.

Suzie: He owns Ciroc or he did. You know what I mean? Like, he's brought these brands up from, like, nothing.

Mel: It's, it's, yeah, and, and, you know, it's like, how are you going to fight that? It's a bit like, you know, not the same way, but, you know, people who just sort of destroyed Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton. He was the president of the ******* United States. He's like a 21 year old girl. Whatever happened, what exactly is she meant to do? Yeah, she made or maybe didn't or whatever, mistake. What is she supposed to do? Like, what? How are you supposed to stand up to these people?

Suzie: No, it's ridiculous.

Mel: You cannot when they have armies of lawyers, armies of people who are going to do whatever for money and, you.

Suzie: Know, politics, american politics. That's a scary ******* world.

Mel: Yeah. But, I mean, I think that's the disturbing thing, is this happens everywhere.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: And it doesn't matter who it is. And it's. I mean, it's just desperately sad. Like, you said, that this happened to just behind closed. All he had to do was have a big house and lots of money and hide it. And the thing that I suppose we're gonna find out about more and more is all the famous people who went to the parties. And there are so many, so many. I mean, we're just talking about J. I mean, you know, you don't think of J. Lo as somebody who's doing anything, you know?

Suzie: Well, Usher just deleted all of his tweets. Sort of Megan fox. I think there's someone else who just did, too. Like, these people are so scared because there is 100% evidence of the must. Whoever's in there, whoever's been there must be. Yeah.

Mel: There were some photos I think I saw today of showing all the parties and all the famous people. And, you know, you've got jailer. You've. I mean, you've got everybody, whoever's who is. I mean, if you want to be in the entertainment business, if you want to be a singer or whatever. An. Excuse me. An actor. Actor. Well, you're invited to that party. I mean, of course you're ****** going.

Suzie: Of course you're going.

Mel: And you worry about whatever happens.

Suzie: You don't think you're gonna be drugged by a champagne bottle and, like, you.

Mel: Know, I mean, it's quite un. And we've only just scratched the surface.

Suzie: No, literally, this is just all.

Mel: I mean, I wonder how, like, the trial.

Suzie: And the trial starts. Yeah. Like, really starts. Like, I do want to just get in here and talk about GHB and just fact check us. So this is from the Oxford treatment center.

Mel: Oh, yes, on the website.

Suzie: And so it says about 95% of this drug is metabolized by the liver, and it has a half life of about 30 to 60 minutes. This means that 50% of GHB is eliminated from the body within 1 hour. Okay. So, you know, give or take what that means. So it says. So within 30 minutes to one and a half hours, GHB may be completely eliminated from the body, if it is.

Mel: Mixed with alcohol, that's the point. That's why it's so difficult with rape, like I was telling you about.

Suzie: But it can last for 24 hours.

Mel: Yeah. But obviously, in most cases it's happened and you end up somewhere and you literally don't know what happened. And if you sort of did, then go to the police, you have no memory of it. And you say, well, I don't remember, therefore I must be. I must have been drugged. Which, you know, we started to sort of learn a little bit about, you know, I was in university in the nineties. It started to sort of rear its ugly head then. But of course, what are you gonna do? And the police test you. There'll be nothing in you. And it's still to this day, a massive problem. And that's, you know, I've taught my girls, you know, if you go anywhere in public, I taught them from a young, you know, you know, they're older teenagers now, but you go somewhere, you watch the drink.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: You never walk away from a drink in public, particularly if you're in a club, in a restaurant. And I suppose I wouldn't have known that if I hadn't had a friend.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: And that wasn't, that was one friend where it happened. Very, a very serious situation. But other friends where they've been drugged. So I knew it. And I say to them, you have to be very careful. Do ever leave a drink.

Suzie: Never leave a drink. I always put my hand over my drink.

Mel: If you're holding it around, turning away with your drink. Always, always, please. It's ****** up, but we don't. Please think about it. Don't leave it because you don't know. And it is actually extremely common.

Suzie: Yes.

Mel: Because it's disturbingly. It's very easy to get hold of.

Suzie: Yeah. Just be careful.

Mel: Too much information out there for the wrong kind of mind to do it.

Suzie: Yeah.

Mel: Be careful.

Suzie: If you go into a ditty party, please don't. But don't like, you know, I think this goes for, like, any kind of, you know, you're excited about going to like, any kind of rich guys party, any kind of athlete. I think, like, if you're in a bigger city or any kind of place where there's something going on in your city, sometimes, you know, you're a pretty girl or whoever, you're getting invited to a place that you're excited about, but you're nervous, but people can take advantage of you.

Mel: Yeah. I mean, think about why you're being invited. You know, I mean, you know, I've done plenty of moronic things when I was younger, so I'm not really standing from a point of like, oh, yes, I've always behaved very well, but I just be careful. There's so much, there is so much bad stuff. And if you can always, and that's why I always say to my girls or any woman, is let somebody know where you are.

Suzie: Yes.

Mel: So if you are going to something like that, and, you know, I do understand, obviously, you know, there aren't too many of us who, you know, who would go to that kind of party because I'm, I'm not personally, I know you are in the entertainment industry, but obviously if you got invited, this is huge. I mean, you're not gonna go, oh, no, I don't want to meet Jo.

Suzie: Well, that's the thing.

Mel: It's.

Suzie: Right.

Mel: It's like you want to go to.

Suzie: This place, but you're either gonna bring a friend, you're gonna tell someone who's not there or not drunk where you are or don't drink.

Mel: But like, exactly.

Suzie: We're being ******* realistic here. Like, it's so tough.

Mel: But I think it's that you have to be really aware of what is going on at all times in any situation. And I hate to say that to people, and especially if you live in big cities around the world, be very careful when you're walking around at night, when you're in clubs, whatever **** does happen all the time. Just keep your radar of what's going on all the time. And unfortunately, I've always been quite good at that. But I've known about that purely because horrible things have happened to people.

Suzie: Yes.

Mel: And that's not the nicest way to learn about it. But, you know, but I, anyway, I mean, this is obviously going to get, this is going to go on and on. It's going to get more and more disturbing.

Suzie: We'll do a potential, like, re update on what's happening, if anything does come out of this. Because, you know, rich people are rich and, you know, never know what might happen with the law.

Mel: Well, you never know. You never know.

Suzie: So. Yeah, but we will, we'll try to do another one. And if you guys have any opinion on this and just stay safe out there. Guys, we love you so much.

Mel: Yeah, it's just, it's just horrible. Like, the more the nastier the world just gets. Nastier and nastier. It really does.

Suzie: It's a great note handed on.

Mel: Yeah. Sorry about that, everyone. I would love to say something positive. Let's face it. When do you hear anything positive?

Suzie: I know, I know, but let's.

Mel: Nothing positive, guys.

Suzie: It's okay. Just be there for each other.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie: Believe survivors.

Mel: Be careful.

Suzie: Believe victims. Use your brain, hopefully. And if you haven't, you know, if you've lost your brain, then help someone or get help. So **** right now. Okay? Love you guys so much. Just take care, okay? Take care of yourself. Love yous.

Mel: Thanks so much for listening. Please rate and review this podcast and follow us on social at sharingmytruthpod and leave us a voicemail on our website, sharingmytruth.com, to share your stories and experiences with us. We'll see you next time. Bye bye. Three, two, one. Yeah.