Suzie : Welcome to Sharing My Truth with Mel and Susie. The uncensored version where we bear it all.

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Hey, babes.

Mel: Hello, darling.

Suzie : How are you?

Mel: I'm very well, thank you.

Suzie : Oh, she's very well today. That's the most British way of saying I'm not very well at all.

Mel: Yeah, well, she's wearing a lovely little.

Suzie : Cashmere sweater, I think, and, well, a bit cashmere.

Mel: We haven't got long, long to go. Gotta wear it. Yeah.

Suzie : Get it all out of her system. The sweaters. Schwer. Yeah, because it's really. It's getting. It's getting pretty exciting out there. It's bikini season.

Mel: Steady on, steady on. Like Canadians are crazy about this kind of stuff. They, you know, and sort of like.

Suzie : Hits 12 degrees Celsius and then you're like, done.

Mel: Yeah. You're like, pull that back a bit. Yeah, yeah.

Suzie : Well, talking about bikinis or a full piece.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : What do you prefer?

Mel: Well, that's a good question. I think in days gone by, I preferred a bikini. As the years roll on and the rolls roll on, I'm more into a.

Suzie : One piece, you see, and I love. Well, right. And if she's alone, she goes in the nude. I'll just say that I do in Europe.

Mel: You don't need to worry about it.

Suzie : And that's her right.

Mel: That's my right. Put him private. Nobody's looking at me. Well, well ****** on them.

Suzie : And that brings us into the conversation. I want to say.

Mel: It does.

Suzie : Choice. Choice, Mel.

Mel: Choice. I love it.

Suzie : Choice. Rights. Of your **** hanging out and what is that called? Feminism.

Mel: Yeah. So we've been having a lot of conversations lately.

Suzie : God, have we ever, on our own.

Mel: Shut the hell up about it on our Instagram. But we've had lots of convenations, conversations, general about, you know, male and women. Male and women. God, I can't speak today. Men and women, the roles that they play.

How this has switched up feminism. People being angry about feminism. Like lots of conversations about this. Right. And we, because we're two women and we make, if we make comments about men.

Yeah.

Suzie : Just show you if you want.

Mel: No, I'm definitely a woman.

You know, obviously they get a little upset because, like, what do you know? You're not, you're not a man. Right. You're a woman. And I'm like, no, I know that.

But I can still have a, an opinion based on many observations.

Suzie : Well, because I think women and gentlemen, this isn't a dig to you.

Mel: No.

Suzie : Women tend to be more empathetic.

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : In their daily life.

More understanding to men as well. And we deal with a lot of men in our life. Not only do we have fathers and brothers, but we have to. Most of our, you know, unfortunately, like bosses are, whatever are men and we deal with a lot of men in the day and age and we're in male centric environments and all of these other things.

It's very hard to just be in a female environment and we have to know how to deal with men and your emotions,

to put it lightly.

Mel: Yeah, I mean, I think you make a lot of observations and you're right. And I think that's a very good way of putting it. Putting it is that women probably observe a bit more and are more interested.

Like I always, for example, if my husband goes out with a friend and I say, oh, how they're doing, what's going on in their life, blah, blah, blah, he'll have been out with them for four hours.

He has no information on them whatsoever. He's like, oh, we took, what did you talk about? Four hours? The hockey or the football or whatever. They don't talk about stuff.

Women tend to talk about stuff for good or for bad. And so we, I think we make a lot of observations and we observe things and obviously we observe things about men and we've talked a lot about dating and how problematic this is in today's world and how the roles of men and women in,

in the last, you know, really, it's quite a long time now. Sort of the last 70 years have really changed and this has perhaps caused some confusion.

Suzie : Well, I also just want to bring up like some guys and even my brother be like, this is a long other story. But like a lot of men don't realize if we have, if we're brought up by women, like we have mothers growing up, our mothers will always warn us about men from a very young age.

And it's just a normal Thing that women have to know, you know, don't walk alone at night if you can help it. Don't wear headphones at night, make sure that you have keys or some kind of available weapon if you need it, like hopefully, thank God, like there's no wood here to knock.

But you know, we are taught from a, like a very young age, you know, don't be alone with a man if, like it's not a necessity, like if you're a child.

Like there's so many things women are literally taught and they're still taught because there are dangers from being a woman and to just being in the presence of a man.

And I'm not saying, we're not saying all men are doing this. No, but it is always a man.

Mel: Yeah. And men are, and this is controversial, biologically stronger. And so if you're out and about, something's going to happen, you know, could happen. And it is going to more likely to be a man against a woman.

And we've noticed there just seems to be an awful lot of anger but coming from men and from women and that in some bizarre way we see a lot of quite misogynistic comments, almost like it's becoming more misogynistic amongst young men and that they're blaming the more modern waves of feminism and not really understanding that that's very different from the original feminism.

And I think the question we have today is, you know, are women, which young men are really accusing them of? Have they become quite narcissistic in their what they want?

Like basically they want the rich guy, they want the good looking guy, but they don't want to pay for dinner, they don't want to work, they don't want to like they want their cake and eat it, which is what we're feeling.

We're hearing, right, that a, a lot of, let's say young men, we'll call them younger men, feel that younger women kind of want it all. So they don't wanna do what the previous generations of women did, have children, cook, clean, but be what they perceive to be submissive.

Right. And then younger men are saying, well hang on a second, but you still want us to be the main provider of wealth for different reasons, often because women have children, therefore they might take some time off.

So hang on, isn't that hypocrisy? So is that driving these men into being even more misogynistic?

Suzie : Well, it's very hard when women some like as some feel and we kind of sort of have to do this sometimes we have to go into more extreme thoughts of like, okay, I've had so many bad experiences with men.

And so it is like, you know, once you have bad experiences with something, it's like someone who just got bit by a dog might be afraid of their, a dog for the rest of their life.

So like, obviously that's not a great example. We know you're not all dogs, but you know, you have a bad experience with something and you might have PTSD or there's all these other horrible events that can come from that.

And so, you know, we have to, we, we try to go to these extremes of like you know, being like we're equal.

Mel: We.

Suzie : But we also, it's not equal. We need equity because we're still the ones carrying the babies. Like you're saying, like it, there's so many differences still between men and women and like you're saying they are biologically stronger.

Most likely. That's why there's special defense, like self defense courses for women because we need to know how to maneuver a man if we need to. So we're getting, I'm getting very dark and deep about this, but it's, I mean it's all truth.

Like if, if someone attacks you, whether they are a man or a woman,

you're going to have some kind of reaction to that.

That might take you to, you know, where you think, what you think about in the future from the sexes perspective. That made sense.

Mel: Yeah, yeah.

Suzie : Like it's, it's, it's just something that we have to live with and we have to understand our differences to actually come together more. And I think that's the problem.

Mel: That's, I think that's exactly the point is that we see this time and time again because of what we're doing with this pod. And we have lots of conversations with people and lots of people approach us and we have lots, lots of conversations, men and women.

And it just seems incredibly confused. And you feel like if we could all just have a conversation and just kind of step back. So stop the rage from men to women saying.

Because they're also saying the same thing. They're saying, I've had this bad experience. Like, you know, I've taken this girl on a date and she's literally kind of fleeced me and gone to this expensive restaurant.

Expensive restaurant, absolutely. And then doesn't want to pay and then doesn't ghost me and all this kind of stuff. And that, that's happening a lot. Or the expectations of young women from young men are very, very high.

Yet they want equality. And these young men are going, hang on a second. Equality is equality. That means we pay 50, 50 kind of thing. And. But then the women are like, hang on a second.

No, you know, so, no, we want you to pay because you're the man. So we want you to be strong.

Suzie : In my opinion, if a man does not pay on the date, it's not a date.

Mel: I agree. But I think I.

Obviously I'm a halter than you, and I'm perhaps in some ways more traditional. But even in my case, I, you know, I'm 52 now. I went to. When I went to school, I went to a really feminist girls school in England.

And every day they drummed into you. And this is like in the. What would this be? The 80s drummed into you. You're as good as a man and you can do anything a man can do.

And.

And this is kind of. This is what they call second wave feminism. Honestly, they went on about it every sing. And it was a school for. You had to be academically quite, you know, bright to go there.

Suzie : Yeah, you're a bright girl, very bright girl.

Mel: So. But you know what they failed. All these women teaching us, failed to tell us is, oh, and then you'll have a baby and it might change, right? You know, you're gonna have to take some time off or you're gonna have to.

Even if you don't take time off. Cause I personally didn't take any time off. It's a nightmare juggling all these things in your life that become all that are all conflicting.

And as a modern woman, we were taught we can do it all. You can cope with all these things. You can look fantastic. Your husband thinks, you know, you're a supermodel.

You can be, you know, one baby hanging off one *** kind of half an hour and then sort of change into a ball gown, go out, and then. And next morning I'm girl boss, superwoman.

It's not. It's not real. It doesn't. Nobody has that capacity to be all those things. And I think in turn, women do not understand. I don't think we do. It's taken me a lifetime to understand that men also have all these different things going on in their minds.

Worrying about providing, succeeding,

finding a woman they'll love. All this stuff goes on that they never talk about. And then even if they're with a woman, they're constantly worried about stuff that we don't as women, I don't think give a lot of value to that.

Cause if they don't say it, we're like, well, you're not saying it's. So we don't hear it. So we're not. We don't care. Whereas women, we talk all the time about stuff.

Do you know what I mean?

Suzie : Yeah. So, I mean, like, my mom, I think she's a little bit older than you, but, you know, she was raised in the same way where it's like,

you have to have your career, and this is just the way she was raised. You have to have your career. And she had a really great career. And then she obviously had two babies.

And I remember being at the office with her because she owned her own business, and that was obviously very hard for our family. Like, we had to. You have to support the one who's making the money.

And obviously my parents both worked and it's. Yeah, it was. It was really tough. And obviously I wish she was home more and, like, thinking about that, like, as an adult.

But, oh, my God, am I so grateful that we have, like, now money in the family because she worked.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : And now it's. It's just really hard to balance that. Like, I can't even imagine having to done what she did, which is, like, so much. But you can't not take that away from women if they don't want to.

Mel: Like, that's the hardest part about it, a hundred percent. I think that's the thing that's been lost that I think the most important thing I've learned going through,

you know, having children, working, you know, being a wife, all those different elements, is that the most important thing to me is choice, is having the choice. I'm lucky that I married a man who was very accepting of whatever choice I made.

And he is very traditional in the sense. He's all about. He's the rock. He doesn't talk about his emotions very much. He's the provider. That's his thing. He's like, I've got to deal with all of that.

And he takes a lot on and he doesn't talk about it. And I don't think. I think it took me a long time to realize that. I'm like, oh, you're not in.

You're not connected to your emotions to me enough. Yeah, but you're. But actually, you're trying to deal with a lot of stuff, but you don't want to put it on me because you don't want to worry me because I'm just going to, like, analyze every thing.

Whereas.

Suzie : As a woman does.

Mel: Yeah, whereas he's much better at dealing with all these sort of issues. That is not to say, because I know, well, somebody will come for me and say, that's bullshit, or you're generalizing.

And obviously these are generalizations because every woman and every man is a different person. But on the whole, I'm saying to you, observations from me, like you said, of the different men I know in my life, the different relationships I've had, and I would say on the whole, the men that I've known that I've dated,

you know, my father, my relatives, my husband, are men who've been fairly high achievers.

So that is another whole aspect.

And I know that that is very. A very difficult thing, too, because I think a lot of women are asking all men to be all things, and all men are asking all women to be all things, and it's not necessary.

Suzie : I think what's really amazing and what's kind of this kind of ultra feminism has brought out, too, and this kind of scary misogyny we're seeing is, like,

the conversations that I'm having with my guy friends or, like, you know, just like men that I go out with. And I've had way, way more good relationships with men that have had bad relationships, which is, like, amazing.

And, like, thank God. Thanks, guys, for being so nice. But, like, it is just like the conversations that I'm having with these guys,

it's like they are actually interested now in seeing from somewhat of a woman's perspective, and they're so much more interested in having these conversations with women. If women are open to having these conversations.

I think that's a big part of it, too, where it's like, women don't want to argue with men because we know what we need in quotations. Like,

it's a very difficult thing because men will never realize what it takes to carry a child. Like, that is. It's impossible. So, like, we can't ask them to understand that.

But what I'm hoping that we get out of any of this extreme feminism, because a lot of it is extreme, and I don't believe. Not believe, but, like, you know, understand most of it.

But, like, there is a lot of it where it's just like, I, you know, we have to just.

Just be empathetic towards each other. And I think women are just sick of being empathetic. And I think that's a bit of the problem, too.

Mel: Yeah, I think. Yeah. I mean, it goes back to what I said before about choice is I believe in choice, and I believe equality. To me, Is not, I'm making exactly the same amount of money or I'm a boss lawyer and you're a boss lawyer or you're a boss this or whatever,

that's not what it is for me. I think what we should understand and I think the bit that women have lost, and it is pretty much other women's fault, I think, is that we have different roles in relationships.

You can do different things, you have different skill levels and sometimes the woman is the breadwinner in terms of making money. That is more often not the case, but it definitely is the case much more today.

And sometimes the man is a more nurturing man and you know, he has more of a role at home. They're all different. The point I'm making, they're all different combinations of people.

They're all different combinations of relationships. And if you meet somebody, perhaps rather than having these incredibly pre defined ideas about everything, like I'm a woman, I'm 29 or 30 today, therefore that means I have to have this, that and the other, right?

Like maybe think about what you want. The same for a man. What do you want? Do you want and you meet and you together decide where your couple is going, like what it is that you want, right?

Rather than having no, I'm a woman, therefore I am not ironing your shirts. Because that means I'm a 1950s housewife. To me that is completely insane. Like I,

I've said this too many times and you've been in our home many times. My husband does all the cooking because he's very good at it. He's a very, very male man,

but he loves cooking. He finds it very relaxing. So when he's stressed, it's his thing. And he also likes to do it because he feels he's doing something. He likes to make people happy.

So cooking is a thing for him.

But that is the only domestic thing he does in our home. I mean he fixes stuff, but he doesn't use the washing machine, he doesn't iron anything. He doesn't really has never really been in the day to day involvement of our children.

Very much involved in our children's life, but not really in school and you know,

the nitty gritty and day to day stuff, that's been me. But not because he's made me do it, not because I've made him cook, because we've decided these are our skills and we play to those skills.

So in some senses we're very traditional, but in some senses we're not. Like he's Cooking, like most men would be like, well, I don't wanna marry her if she can't cook well, you know,

But I don't have an issue cleaning up. I don't have an issue ironing. I don't have an issue if a bed needs to be made, I make the bed. Or the kids need stuff, I will do it.

But that is an agreement that we've made.

That is my choice and his choice, and it works really well.

And that's the thing I think has been lost. Like, why don't you do what works for you?

Suzie : I think this is what the problem is. It's like we are all. And especially the younger generation because we're always online, just constantly online. Like, we can't get off of it.

And we, like, are just in our little echo chambers.

Mel: Yeah, right.

Suzie : And you. The algorithm keeps feeding you stuff. So that's why we're getting all this kind of insane,

like, just narcissistic feminism happening. And then that's why we're also getting all this, like, extremism, misogyny that's going on. And that's why we're. And because. Because the algorithm keeps pushing us farther away and sending us the same bullshit, and we just keep ******* listening to this, which isn't helping us come together in any sort of,

like, agreement. There's no agreement ever happening anymore.

Mel: That's exactly what's happening. Like, you're. If you're a young man and you start with one point of view, it just keeps feeding you that it's okay.

Suzie : Yes.

Mel: And if you're a young woman, it keeps feeding you that it's okay. And then where we are today is everyone's complaining. And the amount of people that I meet, like, you know, maybe people that I know or children of friends of mine who are around your age, like late 20s,

30s, who cannot ******* meet somebody who are very attractive like you, who have great careers, who are really personable, who have all sorts of skills, but they cannot meet somebody for all sorts of the modern fuckery that goes on.

Like, you know, that they work remotely or whatever. But it goes back to a lot of these things that people just have these really preconceived ideas about stuff rather than just going out, meeting somebody.

If it works, it works. If it doesn't, doesn't. You know, not. And I mean, it does go back to the apps. Like, we know too much. Like, your salary bracket, your job, your car, your house, your.

And you haven't even had a drink with this person.

Suzie : Yeah. And then we can see all of your mutual friends. We know who, you know, we could get all the goss on you.

Mel: Right, right.

Suzie : It's like a scary place to be.

Mel: And I do understand that in one sense is. I think the origins of the dating apps were. Well, surely it's better. It's like a modern matchmaker because you know all the data points and you.

Suzie : Match and there are great things about it. Like. Yeah, so many people that are getting married today are meeting off of hinge.

Mel: Yeah. And I, and I understand that, but there seems to be something going wrong. And you know, for, for us.

Suzie : Yeah. Because that's, that's the way that people only think that they can get married.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : That's the problem.

Mel: And like, you know, for us, for what we're doing in our podcast and what we talk about and the amounts of comments we get and the amounts of comments from men that they say that.

Suzie : Yeah. And thank you guys so much for commenting and trusting us. Like, we love, love, love hearing you guys messages and like just answering you back on comments. A lot of it is Mel, and she is obviously the one who gives the best advice.

So. But yeah, thank you guys so much again, just for commenting.

Mel: No, you're right. And, but it's like discussion. It's so important. And even if I don't or you don't agree with your comment, that doesn't mean I don't want to hear it.

Suzie : Exactly.

Mel: That's the. Yeah. Just because I don't agree with certain points of view about what you might think about women or relationships or whatever, if this is coming from a man, it doesn't mean I don't want to talk to you because I think that's the problem is I don't.

We shouldn't be closing ourself off. If anything, we should be understanding why do men. And we'll say again, young men, because it's perhaps more. Younger men have some of these ideas.

And why the hell do young women have some of these ideas? Because they're clearly at odds and there's clearly a problem. And if you sort of, if you go back to this basic idea that a lot of young men seem to think that women want all this stuff but don't want to give anything in return.

And young women, like I saw. I told you this today, I saw this great post about this young girl, which I'd say she was younger than you, sort of early 20s, saying that a man had said to her, well, you know, why can't you kind of like cook and glean and do stuff for me.

And she's like, look, my grandfather built a house for my grandmother, so she cooked and cleaned. You can't even build me an IKEA shelf. And I thought that was hilarious.

And I okay, some men will look at that and say, oh, you know, *****, feminist, blah, blah, blah. But actually I think it shows the problems from both sides.

Suzie : Exactly.

Mel: So our grandparents maybe understood that each had a role and it wasn't always a tradition, like depended what you fell into. But that to me, the point of today is that we've evolved to allow particularly the grandmothers perhaps to be doing some of the stuff in the home and working and the man doing stuff in the home.

And like, surely we've evolved that we can all kind of make our own choices as to what we do in our own home. Like, the other thing to me is the amount of women.

And I see this a lot, and obviously I'm talking about women, I am A1. Is that the amount of young women with children who are shamed for being stay at home moms or I mean, it doesn't matter if they've got older children.

Like, how about mind your own ******* business. It is very difficult being a parent. All stay at home dads, I'd say the same thing. It is very difficult to be a parent today because being a parent itself is very difficult.

Nothing prepares you for it. And then there's all these other distractions and all the stuff online and everything else. It's very hard. And whatever you have decided in your family unit, whether that is the man stays at home, the woman stays at home, you both work part time, Whatever combination of whatever it is that you do,

that you've decided as a couple that you're doing and work for you, that is nobody's business. Including criticizing women for staying at home, for wanting to look at their children.

Have we all lost our minds? Like, a woman is able to stay at home and look after her children and not send them to daycare. And the man has decided he's happy to make the money.

Although those are traditional roles they've decided. And we're criticizing, like, what in God's name is going on? If that woman has made that choice and that man has made that, that's up to them.

And again,

the revolves could be reversed, right?

Suzie : Absolutely.

Mel: But we've got to point now,

we've got so far away from the original point, which was choice, that we're now criticizing people. And that's the bit I cannot wrap my head around. I cannot, I cannot wrap my head around.

And I can't wrap my head around other women criticizing other women. You know, like, if you choose to have children, don't choose to have children, choose to marry, whatever it is.

Like, everyone's path in life is different. And why are we criticizing that?

Suzie : Here's, here's another thing, okay? And I think women are, women don't really understand. Some women don't really understand how simple minded men can be. And that's not a dig to you guys.

Again, I say it's okay. You have, you have things going on. You have your ***** telling you one thing, your brain telling you another. You gotta make all the money.

You have to eat a million calories because you want to stay big and strong. Like, there's so many things that men have to think about that women, women don't think about as much.

Right? And so we just, we just, we think about so many more things as women and we have confused them in a way as of feminism. Like, we have confused them now that, like, this isn't just about equality or equity for like men and women.

Now, now, you know, there's intersectional feminism, right? Where it's like, okay, wait, hold on, what is that? It's like, oh, it's the feminism between classes and genders and all of this other stuff.

And it's like, I 100% believe in all of the importance and all of that, but there is, you can't have someone believe that this is all so important. And so, like, what do we focus on?

We have no focus anymore. And men are very focused creatures. They like to do one task at a time. They are bad multitaskers. So we cannot give them so many things to focus on.

Give them one goal.

And is that goal modern equity of men and women? You know, you know, men, women are having the babies, so let's let them have their babies and take care of them while they're doing that.

And then if the woman wants to go back to work, she can. Or if she wants to be at home, she should be able to do that and take care of the children.

Like, what is going on with all this other **** that like, is important but should not have to deal with the modern man's, like, mind at all. It's just too much for them.

Mel: Yeah, yeah. And I just think,

I just don't understand why people have to be so judgmental. I mean, I know plenty of women who judged other women for like not going back to work or for cooking or for cleaning or for supporting their husband because he made More money.

Like,

I don't get it. I just don't get it. And that is not helpful at all. And yeah, what you're talking about, even I do think that young women think that as long as you, as they say, empty a man's balls, feed him, you know, he'll be fine.

He'll be fine.

Suzie : Yeah. You're not wrong.

Mel: I'm not wrong. But there is a lot more to that. You need to. Because I think that's the thing that's not, that isn't fair, is that men, strong men out, very alpha men, they support women.

So even though they are dying inside or going through all sorts of **** or dealing or trying to cope with their own personal failures or inhibitions or insecurities or problems or whatever it is, they don't show it.

They believe they have to hold their **** together. Because the woman who's more emotional, for the most part, again, don't come at me for being whatever. They have to support her so they have to be strong so she can be emotional.

Right. Which does happen a lot. But a lot of women don't understand that that's what's going on. Like you're losing your ****, getting emotional. And he's a rock because he's, he's digging, he's hiding it all.

He's not, he's not. Because if he loses his ****, you'll both be losing his ****. And, But I think.

Suzie : And then who's got it together?

Mel: Yeah, but equally men. A lot of men, because we've seen, you know, these kind of comments, is that men don't appreciate that women,

yes, do kind of worry about lots of different things. And I think men think that that's, that they're not focused. It's not that we're not focused. Me, for example, I know exactly what I have to do, but I worry about all the things I have to do because I think,

well, if I don't do them today, then tomorrow is a nightmare. And that I do. And I agree, put my hand up to the,

to the fact that I take on stuff that I don't need to take on, and I don't know why I take it on, but I feel that if I don't, my children won't be happy, my home won't be happy, my husband won't be happy, blah, blah, blah.

But in turn, I'm like most women, probably too emotional, which isn't helpful in some situations.

Suzie : I have never seen you cry, Mel. I would not say that.

Mel: I, I, it takes a lot it takes an awful lot.

Suzie : I know women who are too emotional. That is not you.

Mel: No, I'm not. Yeah. I would say I'm pretty. Got it pretty well in check. And that is a lot to do with, you know, the fact that I'm British and I was raised to keep it all together.

Yeah. And that's not necessarily helpful. No.

Suzie : But it's. Well, on the subject of, like, too emotional women, I mean, men can also be too angry, and that is also an emotion, right?

Mel: Yes.

Suzie : Women can maybe be too sad and too overthinking and all these other things. Men, it's. There's some things about.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : Rage. Right. And that's really not good because where are you going to put that energy? That is a huge ball of energy. Are you going to work out? And that's where you're going to put it.

Are you going to. Or are you going to, like, be a little, you know, keyboard warrior and just be angry at all these women online? Like, there is a right way to put that energy and there's definitely a wrong way.

Mel: I think it goes back and I think this would encapsulate all my feelings. Go back to what you said originally, is that you can't take one bad experience, like you've met a woman or several women you've dated and it's been terrible, and then say, the whole of womankind is like this.

Right. In the same way, you can't have, you know, however many bad experiences you have with men and say every single man walking the face of the planet is a beep, beep, beep.

Right. Because the likelihood is you date a certain type and you keep repeating the same pattern and you keep repeating the same mistake. So if you're a man, you keep dating the same kind of woman, which makes you think that all women are like that, which is not true.

And if you're a woman, you keep dating the same kind of man and you keep repeating it. And I think that that, to me, is the biggest lesson, is that stop saying, like, all women are like this.

They're all selfish, they can't focus. They're all highly emotional. They all want their cake and eat it. They all blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that all men are ********.

Rage, blah, blah. It's not true. It just isn't true. We're all different people. And maybe,

yeah, so try and date somebody outside of your type. Maybe that's the answer. And how do you do that in real life? Again, big problem.

Suzie : We're all attracted to who we're attracted to. That's something that's really hard to change.

Mel: Yeah, it is hard to change. And I think this also this thing about a lot of men say that women are only interested in men who make lots and lots of money.

I don't think that's not true. And I don't think all men are interested in who's very attractive. I can't think of anybody, you know, some, you know, certain kind of thing.

Suzie : Some Kim Kardashian type little lady.

Mel: It's not true. It just isn't true. And that we have too many generalizations.

Suzie : That's also the thing. It's like, stop criticizing people for people that are not your type.

Mel: I know.

Suzie : That's what this. It's like when they wear too much makeup. Then don't talk to them.

Mel: Well, exactly. If you don't like.

Suzie : Or them like, who cares? Absolutely.

Mel: If you don't like fake nails and lots of makeup and padded bras and whatever else.

Suzie : Not all women are doing these things. No, it's just some.

Mel: Exactly. Then don't date it. And if you don't like men that are kind of rageful or don't want to pay the check for the date, then don't date them. Yeah, I mean, I, I will.

Next episode. How do you meet them?

Suzie : We got it.

Mel: Yeah. Anyway, that's, that's my little 2 cents worth.

Suzie : It's a complicated situation. Mel and I are really just at the peak of talking about this.

Mel: Really so much to say about this.

Suzie : I know it's, it's tough because it's, it, it's never ending. And it's most of what we get on our socials and that's why we love talking about it because we know you guys want to hear about it and we know you guys are interested in about this and it's.

Yeah, it's a never. It's an ever changing issue is really what it is.

And really we want to hear what you guys have to say more about this.

Mel: Definitely. And I, like I said, even if we don't agree, we want to hear.

Suzie : I think it's better. Let's ******* have more conversations with people we don't agree with because maybe you.

Mel: Change my mind and I'll change your mind.

Suzie : I love that.

Mel: Yeah.

Suzie : I'm so sick of people not talking to people who have the same opinion.

Mel: I know, it's ridiculous.

Suzie : It's like, how do you expect anything to change or it doesn't. It's not gonna happen.

Mel: It just makes the world very one dimensional.

Suzie : Yeah.

Mel: Don't do that anymore. Guys don't do that. We all have different viewpoints, different opinions, different experiences. And let's face it, your experiences in life lead you often to your opinions and to the way you think.

So maybe if you talk to somebody else and they tell you about their experience, you're like, okay, I never thought about it that way.

Suzie : Exactly.

Mel: So keep chatting.

Suzie : Keep chatting with us guys. We can't wait to chat with you. You can go to Share My Truth Pod on any of our socials or go to sharemytruth.com send us a little email and everything's anonymous if you want it to be.

Yeah, private message us. We can't wait to talk to you. Love ya.

Mel: Till next time. Bye.

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